@Sempahore and I did some chat which started today (24th June 2015 about 11:18 CET), here is the link to full conversation http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22353368#22353368.
As I can see, I am not able to ask clear questions. On the chat I tried to explain my reasons to Semaphore, but also failed.
Many of my questions seem to be unclear and require comments to clarify. I try to write a long question because I want to show my research effort, so the question would be interesting (we spoke about this one, so I will be referring to it, but for other questions remarks also apply). All
this citations are taken directly from the question body.
- I performed a research and found out, that English kings used the title "King of France" for a long time (since Hunred-Years war until 1800).
- The research revealed to me, that (some) French had problems with it, when
French delegates demanded that the King of Great Britain abandon the title of King of France as a condition of peace. This was the first citation, from Wikipedia.
- Then I showed that I understand that this was a ceremonial title (
Even if using the title "King of France" was only a part of some tradition, this should have been some problem for the French as after the Revolution they demanded to cancel using it.), however, Mark C. Wallace and JMVanPelt wanted to explain me that this was ceremonial.
- Because I had found out it could be some problem for (some) French, so maybe before revolutionary delegates somebody
beg/ask/demand the English to cease it?. However, this was also not clear, because CGCampbell said, that delegates did. So again, this was not clear and I had to explain once more.
- Because I expected that the the title "King of France" is ceremonial, I showed an example in the question (
I understand that when two kings met on some occasion (or an ambassador was introduced to a king) there was confusing presentation of two "kings of France".), why this could have been a problem for the French.
- Then, Tyler Durden asked
What exactly is your question?.
- The question is stated in the title and it reads "What was the reaction to English monarchs using the title “King of France”?"
Did she beg/ask/demand the English to cease it?subquestion is a possibility of a reaction of French Kings or French governments. I ask this subquestion to show, that I was thinking about the problem and I know some possibilities and answers, but I don't know if they are true.
How did other countries take/recognise this title (the largest/most important, like Spain, Holy Roman Empire, Austria, Poland/Lithuania, the Pope, Ottoman Empire maybe)?means, that I am not only interested in what the French did, but also how other European powers considered the situation. I'd wish that answer will not focus on the France only. The question title does not use the word "France" in this context.
Was it just taken "it's just a children's play, let the English perform it, if it's fun for them"?is another possibility to show that I did something before asking
Has anyone tried to clear this situation?question is a summary.
I don't know what was unclear here and why Semaphore says "You write a lot of things".
This question is an example, but I had similar issues and comment-discussions in the question about UK bonds for Napoleon wars which ended in a conclusion, that this is not a historical question, and some others.
So, ok, I can write short questions. This is an alternative:
What was the reaction to English monarchs using the title “King of France”?
The English kings used the title "King of France". Did anybody else respect it?
- Have you made some research? Go, google it! First link, from Wikipedia, man!
French delegates demanded that the King of Great Britain abandon the title of King of France as a condition of peace.
- Which kings of England?
- Why do you think that this was a problem for France?
- @2 I would say that also kings of Great Britain. But saying "kings of England" may also mean Alfred the Great. The question is too broad, I'm voting to close.
- -1. The question shows lack of minimal research effort [3 up-votes]
- This was a ceremonial title, you know? Check Wikipedia before asking:
The seven monarchs of this period [1603-1707] continued to use the style King/Queen of France, though their claim was merely nominal. None of them was willing to engage in military campaigns for France against the actual Kings of France Henry IV, Louis XIII and Louis XIV of France.
- This question is off-topic because it asks for a list of French diplomatic actions.
I don't know how to improve my questions. What do I do wrong? Why are my questions not clear?
PS. Today I asked a question, which again led to the discussion in comments. I deleted it because I had performed too few research and were eventually able to find the answer myself. But anyway I also think that I just wanted to be precise.