Why did my question get a downvote?

Question

Another in my aperiodic, quixotic rants intended to improve the quality of H:SE posts.

I've seen a few questions on meta that resemble "why did I get a downvote?". It struck me that I can't be the only person who has a set of pet peeves that will trigger a downvote. If we explicitly list those characteristics of a question that cause our mouse to lunge for the downvote arrow, perhaps we'll reach a stronger consensus on the site we want, and some guidelines to improve questions. I'd like to reach a state where instead of hitting downvote, I can enter a comment that effectively says, "This question is like bullet #x; if you could alter it to be in line with the recommendations for bullet #x, it is more likely to get upvotes and answers, and to cause warm and happy feelings in the cockles of the moderator's hearts.

Let me explicitly note that I do not intend to disrespect anyone in the examples I've chosen below. I'm trying to illustrate a point. While each of the examples has tempted me to hit the downvote button with vigor (and possibly repeatedly), some of them are actually fine questions that I've praised elsewhere. I am criticizing a feature of the question, not the value of the querent.

Please add your own pet peeves; I'll mark this community wiki. Yes, I know that this question violates my own #2. As I said, some questions tempt the downvote, but are actually fine.

Disclaimer; yes, I've said some of this before. It isn't my intent to be repetitive; I'm striving to get to a place where I'm tempted to upvote more often than I'm tempted to downvote. I hope that by changing the format of the material slightly, we can create something that will cultivate a stronger, more interesting H:SE

Please document your preliminary research

Cite every non-trivial assertion in your question.

Don't include anything you don't want to defend.

H:SE questions have an authoritative answer

Has there ever been anything like…

How do I write a good question?

I don't understand your question

I have to read the comment string to understand the question

I will downvote any question that misuses the term genocide.

I wonder if anyone can prove I'm wrong? / You've asked us to prove a negative

If you doubt the existing narrative, the burden is on you.

Is this true that…

Is your question in scope?

It is common knowledge that … knowledge isn't common

Out of scope questions

Questions about race

Quoting known Hitler apologists and/or Holocaust deniers as your primary/only source

Reconcile title with content in body

"Should…

Someone once said…

Swords were in the past, so tell me about their physics

Terms are ill defined

The question is written in the passive voice

The question relies on a false aggregation

The scope of the question makes it difficult to answer

What evidence is there that the historical individual that I'm thinking of fits a historical theory that I read one time.?

What is the consensus of historians on… ?

What would google tell me if I asked?

When did X first happen?

Why didn't the world community bake me a birthday cake? (or stop Mugabe, or Bush, or Chavez, or whoever)?

Why were the majority of the population X at the time Y ok with Z when we know that Z is wrong? Is it true that Person S from time Y really did/believed in Z??! Horrendous!

Why…

You replied in comments

Answer 1

Why didn't the world community bake me a birthday cake? (or stop Mugabe, or Bush, or Chavez, or whoever)?

Example 1, Example 2

Many questions include an implicit assumption of agency that is fallacious. There is no world community – at least not a world community with an executive and a club that can be used to punish people or to bake birthday cakes. If you ask a question of the form "Why didn't X do Y?" then doublecheck to make sure that X is a real actor. Doublecheck that X has the power to do Y.

How many…

Stop; don't go any further unless you think it through.. Example 1, Example 2, Example 3.

If your question begins "How many…", you're probably asking for a list, and you shouldn't ask that here. There are exceptions – "How many years did the 1812 war last?", or "How many patents did G. W. Carver have?"

Double check that you're asking for a "closed answer" – an answer, not a list. Then see if there is a way to rephrase the question so that it is really what you want. Sometimes this question is phrased as "What were the … names of people on the Titanic?"

When did you stop beating your wife? (e.g. What is the timeframe for Adam and Eve?)

There are two problems with these questions. First, the timeframe isn't mentioned. If you're asking about behavior X in Roman History, the answer is generally meaningless unless you specify what period of Roman History. "What is the role of a censor in Roman government?" Depends on whether we're talking empire, republic, late empire, or June 7, 45 BCE. "Who is the Secretary of State?" Depends on which administration, and which year.

The other problem is questions that rely on assumptions – like the assumption that I beat my wife, or that I'm married. Example 1, Example 2.

Before you ask the question, first, specify a time period, and if possible an event. It is much easier to provide a comprehensive answer if you specify an event; we can research the causes and effects of that event and discuss them intelligently. Second, doublecheck that the majority of the people accept all the assumptions. Sometimes this will cause me to eat crow; there are questions where the assumptions aren't obvious. But it is worth your while to take a moment to make sure that all the terms in your question are meaningful to the audience.

Can you evaluate the impact of Sujarkama's theory of mesonic exchange entitlements on the gross national product of the Jawethi province of Kronos under Reaganomics?

If you ask a question which relies on obscure details, without citing those details I will downvote you. If you ask a question that relies on obscure details and you cite those details, providing me the opportunity to learn something new, I will upvote you and cause fuzzy unicorns to bring you waffles.

The point of H:SE isn't to demonstrate your intellectual power & puissance; it is to get an answer to a question. If you can't be bothered to cite your sources, then there is a gravitational force drawing my mouse to the downvote button.

Answer 2

You've asked us to prove a negative

e.g. I wonder if anyone can prove I'm wrong?

I'm wondering if, contrary to what has been accepted as history, perhaps X was the result of Z, not Y, as history has reported. Can anyone prove I'm wrong?

A good question along such lines should be supported by a well substantiated hypothesis, not simply "I think maybe…". Such a question is virtually impossible to answer satisfactorily – generally speaking, you can't really disprove idle speculation, or a 'negative'. Such discussions are fruitless and end up going in circles. This is closely related to If you doubt the existing narrative …. It is generally an invitation to discussion of a conspiracy/alternate history theory, and therefore not in scope for H:SE.

Fix

First, provide evidence or a very strong argument for doubting the narrative. If all you have is a feeling of astonishment, then I will downvote and urge a vote to close.

Second, reformulate the question in terms of a hypothesis. What kind of evidence would confirm or refute this hypothesis. If you doubt that Henry Ford was actually a human being, or that China exists, then specify that a well attributed photograph of Henry Ford, or the existence of a US Ambassador to China would be sufficient to confirm the existing narrative, and outline the efforts you've made to find that evidence.

Answer 3

Cite every non-trivial assertion in your question.

If you ask a question about things (people, events, concepts, ideas, theories, etc.), it is courteous to provide a reference or citation to those things. Link to the relevant wikipedia entry if nothing else. A surprising fraction of questions can be answered by a fresh set of eyes looking at the information.

This is a common problem on SE; SE has a legitimate expectation that you've done preliminary research before asking the question. Show that research. If you're asking about Pokemon, or Obelisks, or Soviet Watches, then show me the references. When I'm checking the references, I may spot the connections that eluded you, or I may be able to spot the reason why there is no connection. If you're asking about your thesis concerning Roman syncretism, then provide some evidence of that syncretism. Even if we all accept that the Romans were syncretic, providing the research helps focus the answers on historiography rather than hermeneutics

Question based on unfounded premise

Questions are based on unfounded, suspicious or unsourced premises tend to get closed. Even if they don't get closed, they tend to accumulate a great deal of debate/discussion/argument that reduces the chance that the question will get an authoritative answer. If you want an answer to your question, cite all non-trivial assumptions. Then go ahead and cite the ones that you think are trivial, because the worst that will happen is that someone will learn something.

If you must

Before you post a question, make sure that you've provided sources for each of the assertions you make. Comments should (politely) ask OP to provide sources/citations/evidence for questionable assumptions/assertions.

Include the citations in the question; don't ask people to wade through a long comment stream to find a citation, and then to ask them to infer which noun in the question relates to the citation. You're asking people to do research on your behalf; make it easier for them.

Questions that cite absolutely no research should be scrutinized with an eye to improvement.

Examples

• Why does Texas have the right to split? (research shows that Texas does not, in fact have the right to split.)
• What is the meaning of the image on the Nobel medal?
• Greek and Roman Pantheons
• Prevalence of Obelisks
• Carter's Iran Policy
• Cultures & Nations
• Ancient impact on the modern world
• Who authorized standstill agreements? - This is a truly interesting example since the term "standstill" agreement is not being used in the standard financial contract context, but in a peculiar international legal context. The right citation transformed a fiendishly difficult question to a trivial question.

Answer 4

Why....

Be very careful, you're entering dangerous ground. It is fairly difficult ask a "why" question that is a good fit for SE. "Why..." questions tend to:

1. Require a book to answer.
2. Generate lots of discussion and comments, which reduce the value of SE.
3. rely on false premises.

If you must

If you must ask a "Why" question, please check that:

1. There is an answer - you can imagine a clear, concise, unambiguous answer. Perhaps even state in your question how you will select an answer.
2. Your assumptions are explicitly documented
3. There is evidence in your question that you have done the prior research.

Examples

(please feel free to add additional examples below)

• Why is national identity important? We (IMHO correctly) closed this question as off topic.
• Why are so many African Nations poor? I think that if you stacked up all the books and articles written on this topic, they'd have published new ones before you finished the stack. This is a huge question! more than books, entire careers have been based on this question. IMHO, this is a very poor fit for SE.
• Why is Dravidian History ignored - again, this is a book length topic, and based on a subjective opinion (that Dravidian history is ignored). It may be true that Dravidian history is igored, but there is no evidence that OP did any research beyond personal opinion.

• Why was the US unable to win in Korea - Many books have been written to answer this question; I'm not sure that H:SE is a good venue for a real answer.

• Why didn't anyone resist Russia's colonization of Siberia - Other empires did attempt to resist Russia's colonization.

• Why did the Soviet Empire collapse? - Question closed in recognition that the answer is probably book length, and that such a book would promptly inspire a second book claiming that the first book was wrong, and a third book, that would argue that the first two were rubbish.....

Caveat

There are a number of questions that are based on a sincere false impression - these can be answered with a frame challenge.

Framing in this context means limiting how people view a topic; challenging the frame means breaking out of those limits to look at the problem from a different perspective. Challenging the frame is usually appropriate when the asker has the XY problem (when you have problem X, and identify potential solution Y, and ask for help implementing Y instead of just asking for help with X) from ObliviousSage's comment on the previously cited frame challenge link; I think this explains it well

How do you tell the difference between a sincere, but mistaken belief (which deserves an answer and an upvote) and laziness? The former are usually backed up with details, citation and evidence of research. Other SE require that the querent attempt to solve the problem and show how the solution falls short. I think we should adopt that here.

Answer 5

Please document your preliminary research

Some questions seem to have come out of a beer and pretzels' discussion with no research. Please do basic research before you post here; check Wikipedia and Google, and document that research in your question. Tell us why Google and Wikipedia fell short. Tell us what you searched on and why the results didn't answer the question. H:SE is not a Google API.

I'll downvote questions without research and questions where OP refers to research that has been done, but not cited. I am not motivated to go do research and then have OP tell me basically: "Yes, that's part of the research I've already done; you've wasted your time."

I'll also downvote questions that include the phrase "I guess"; this generally indicates that the author is writing an essay to advance a viewpoint, rather than asking a question.

Example: "I have found references that…" But OP doesn't share those references, so we're put in the position of researching things and then asking, "did you mean this? or this? or this?" H:SE is not the place for guessing games.

How to avoid the downvote

1. Google your question. Take a look at at least the top five results.
   If your answer is there, then your question should probably have been closed as trivial.

2. Search H:SE.
   Apparently every month or so someone is compelled to ask a trivial variation about either 'why the US bombed Japan', or 'why Africa is poor'; these questions are the rickroll of H:SE.
   If you've got a new variation of the question or something new to ask, then explicitly cite the previous question to show that you are aware that the question has been asked before, and make it clear how your question is different.
   If you ask a longwinded question that appears to be a duplicate of one of these two, I'm going to downvote.
   I probably should feel guilty about this, but to be honest, I don't.

3. Re-read your question.
   Are there any terms in your question that would not be familiar to your average sixth grader? To your mother-in-law? If so, search Wikipedia and include a link to the term. Yes, I'm aware that many of you loathe Wikipedia with a passion that rivals a divorce settlement or the thirty years war. If you fall into that group, then provide a citation to some other source, but make it a source that someone can check. The goal in this step is to provide references to clarify your question if it isn't quite as clear in text as it is in your mind. If you think Wikipedia falls short of the goal, then clarify the outstanding issues in your question.

4. Cite all nontrivial assertions in your question.
   Just as a courtesy, if you mention a person, link to that person's page on Wikipedia. If you link to a country, a political party or any other similar group, link to their page.

5. If you refer to research that you've done, share that research.
   Research is not limited; if you share it, you've still got it. If you don't share your research, then you're asking me to play a guessing game, and you're really providing a huge disincentive to answering your question. If you've searched Wiki & google & standard source X, then mention that. Explain why those answers were inadequate. (Many other sites require this and will pre-emptively close your question if you don't do this; I wish we included that in our culture).

6. Re-read your question again.
   Have you established that you're asking about something real? Just to pick a random example, does your question assume that the Donation of Constantine is a genuine document? If your question relies on false premises, it is unlikely to result in a good question.

I believe that failure to do preliminary research is one of the reasons why our close question rate is trending in a suboptimal direction..

This is also a place where we can make one another excellent. Edit the question, include the references. Provide that gateway drug to new and interesting areas of historical research. Identify assumptions that need clarification in (courteous and professional) comments.

Examples

"Where did Henry Brown live?" — I have no evidence that Henry Brown wrote slave codes. As one of the commenters pointed out it is a bit unusual for a single person to write legislation, and if it happens, it tends to be well documented in the record.

"Why did Stalin cultivate a child friendly image?" — There is no evidence that Stalin cultivated a child friendly image. Did he invest a great deal of resources, or did he just kiss babies? Was he friendly to all children?

Answer 6

If you doubt the existing narrative, the burden is on you.

e.g. I read on Wikipedia that the Pryce baronets went extinct with the seventh baronet. Is that true?

First, thank you for having done at least some preliminary research. I appreciate that you've made an effort. That said, unless you have a reason to doubt the fact in question, why are you asking? Do you have a reason to believe that there was an eighth Pryce baronet? Are you confused about how a baronetage (or any other title) go extinct? Do you doubt the existence of the Pryce baronetage at all?

Some of those questions are valid. But if your question is just "I read X, is it true?" then you're wasting your own time, let alone mine. There are a huge number of assertions on wikipedia; we could fill up the H:SE question queue with questions about whether any given assertion is true. H:SE would wind up being a copy of Wikipedia. If your only question is whether an arbitrary assertion on wikipedia is true, then I'm going to downvote your question. If I'm having a bad day, I'm going to downvote your question, then answer it by citing the wikipedia page.

Example:

Did Yuri Gagarin really hear a ticking sound during his journey into outer space?

I was challenged on this one recently on the grounds that a movie put words into the mouth of a real man; (leaving aside the problem that the question does not include a quote) By this principle, we can question any quote in any movie. 1776 has Thomas Jefferson writing "When in the course of human events..." is that true? Lincoln has Abe Lincoln saying "hello"... is that true? Movie X depicts John F Kennedy as a featherless biped, is that true? Book Y says that Robbert Goddard had five fingers on each hand, is that true? Unless you provide some justification, some reason, then all of these are equally absurd. Gagarin was in a tiny cockpit crammed full of electromechanical equipment and he heard a sound typical of electromechanical equipment. Where is the surprise? He was in a relatively tiny capsule exposed to extreme temperature and pressure fluctations - my house make a ticking nose when the wind blows. I'd be more surprised if he didn't hear a ticking sound; if OP had asked, "Why didn't Gagarin hear any strange noises during his space flight?" I would have started work on that question, because that would be surprising. (I'd frankly doubt it and ask for a citation, because citing every non-trivial assertion is simple courtesy). Is there a reason why hearing this sound is surprising? I have no doubt that there is - but OP hasn't told us that. If you doubt the existing narrative, you're obliged to explain why you doubt it. Asking a question here is a request for a group of strangers to exert effort on your behalf. Simple respect suggests that if it isn't obvious, that you explain why you find the existing narrative unsubstantial.

How to fix the problem

If you have a reference to a ninth baronet Pryce and you need to reconcile the statement in Wikipedia with evidence you have elsewhere then include in the question references to both bits of evidence (the Wikipedia page and whatever other evidence you have).

If you don't understand how a baronetage can go extinct, then your question isn't "is that true?", your real question is "how does a baronetage go extinct?" or "How does inheritance of a baronet work?" (that's actually a rather good question).

If Gagarin spent hours checking the ticking noise against each of the instruments in his spacecraft and measured it to ensure that it was regular and did tests to exclude other possibilities, then mention that.

If you doubt the existence of the Pryce baronetage because all English titles are the invention of our reptilian overlords, then I need to know that so I can cast a close vote rather than a downvote.

If you don't understand what a baronetage is, then I suggest you do a couple of google searches before you ask, and incorporate that research into your question.

If the assertion in Wikipedia sounds implausible to you, then I'd do a bit more research and make your doubt explicit.

"Wikipedia says that George W. Bush and Sylvester Stallone are the same person; after all they were born on the same day, and they are both white males, given all that evidence, how can you tell the difference between them? I've done some research and I cannot find any photographs that contains both of them, but the underlying claim sounds a bit suspicious to me."

The nice thing about phrasing the question that way is that we can answer it if we can find a single photograph showing both of them, or some other irrefutable evidence that they are different people.

Questions that involve more research are less likely to get downvotes than questions that involve little or no research.

Counterexample

Please confirm this fragile assertion - This is a great counterexample; OP's real question is to confirm or deny a fragile (single source) hypothesis. I believe this is part & parcel of the practice of history. We have to be careful not to phrase it as a source request, but rather as a request to support or rebut a hypothesis. (I'm open to discussion/commentary on this point).

Answer 7

It is common knowledge that .... knowledge isn't common

If you begin your question with an appeal to common knowledge, even if you phrase it as "it is clear" or some other phrase, you've lost credibility. Far too much of "common knowledge" is actually farce, propaganda, myth, fallacy or outright manipulation. If in fact the fact you reference is common knowledge, then it should be trivial to find a citation or reference to that common knowledge. Once you've done that, you've earned the credibility that will cause me to read the rest of the question.

I will downvote any question that begins with:

• as we know...
• as is well known...
• We understand that...

Here is someone who earns my admiration by explicitly questioning common knowledge.

Answer 8

Someone once said . . . .

Or I have heard... or I read that...

I will downvote any question that includes this phrase. This is effectively the rhetorical fallacy Appeal to Authority without going to the effort to invent the authority. There are two problems with this question, and I'll wish for the ability to downvote twice.

First, cite your source. It makes a big difference if the "someone" who once said is a 3rd century monk, a member of the Nazi party in 1938, Paul Krugman, or Noam Chomsky. They all have different biases; they are reliable for different classes of fact. If you don't identify the source, then we're both playing darts in the dark, potentially in an open field.

Here is a good example of a question where who said it is probably more important than what was said.

The second problem is that you have some facts; you are denying us those facts. You know who said what, but you're not supplying this information. That means you're asking me to start my research by repeating what you've already done. You're asking me to play a game where you know the rules and I don't. You may not mean to be offensive, you may have the best intentions in the world. But you're playing headgames and we're not married. You've started your question with a signal that you are not honest; am I really motivated to do research on your behalf? Do I really want to spend my time to research and write an answer only to have you say, "no, I meant someone else..."

Doing history without sources is like doing programming without a keyboard, or building a building without any tools.

This question is also frequently the same as the example given in the FAQ of a question NOT to ask. "your question is just a rant in disguise: “__ sucks, am I right?”. If you're looking for people to confirm your opinion, H:SE is the wrong place.

The Fix

This is simple to fix. Merely state who said what. Provide a citation if you can. Give us the clues so that we can start the research to find the answer you're really looking for.

"Disraeli said that ancient Greeks had no word for 'blue'; what color did they think the sky was?" Still tough to answer, but there is at least a starting point for research. (A good question would have cited Disraeli's claim.)

Answer 9

What is your question?

There is a common pattern of questions where the title is a concatenation of nouns, followed by a block of text. Participants in H:SE want to contribute, they want to solve the puzzle. The probability that they'll devote the effort and do the research is related to how clearly you express your question and how easy you make it to start the research

SE is a Q&A site. Participate by asking a question.

""Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!"" is not a question. It is a random collection of nouns.

Examples

• Evolution of destroyers, but the title is dryer than ash and I have to read a bullet list and five paragraphs before I get to the question.

• Is this question about capitalism? Poverty? Racism? Some of the confusion arises because the community has made a heroic effort to rescue this question, but the question was somewhat muddled at the beginning.

Make sure you're not asking an XY Question - I can't find an example right now, but I see plenty of questions that start with a clear title, (e.g. "What is the name of the first secretary of the treasury?", but the text of the question reveals that what OP really wants is to know is when the Treasury was first established as a Department, or some other fact.

How to fix this problem

1. Edit the title of your question to be a question. Does the title end with a question mark? Is the title as clear and concise as possible?

2. Ask yourself - if someone on the internet does hours of research to answer the question in my title, will I be happy? Is it possible to select an authoritative answer from those that will be provided?

Answer 10

What evidence is there that the historical individual that I'm thinking of fits a historical theory that I read one time.?

If the question relies on information that is only available to the OP, then the question shows no research effort, and I would argue is a bad fit for the site. I'm going to downvote because it is an insult to the community. Questions like this one are very likely to be consider for closure as "I'm not sure what you're asking."

If you must ask such a question.....

The great tragedy is that these questions are, in my opinion, simple to transform into valuable questions. Provide your source. If you're asking about a historical figure, provide a link to that historical figure. Not only do you vastly increase the value of the site as a reference source and learning aid, but you may disambiguate the question. There are many historical figures who are known by different names, and many that share the same name. If you're wondering about some historical theory, then provide a link to that theory. If you provide me a link to an interesting historical theory that I've never heard of, then I'll upvote your question, praise you publicly and instruct the network of telepathic goldfish to send good vibrations your way. But more importantly, if you include the relevant details in your question, you increase your chances of getting a good answer.

Example

Jesus in India - My objection is not about religion; my object is that the question asks for evidence about a theory that (as far as we know) is only in OP's mind. "What evidence is there that Jesus visited Schenetady N.Y.? What evidence is there that Mithradates visited London?"

@Vector did some research and found what plausibly was the source that OP was thinking of, and I think that @Vector deserves multiple upvotes for rescuing the question and for research an answer. But since OP chose to ask the question as a guessing game, we don't know if that is the source, or if the OP received telepathic messages from a nearby goldfish.

Counterexample

This question (singer and applause) is different; @Voitcus admits that memory is the issue, and even provides some details of the research that he's done. There is even a hypothesis that we're invited (implicitly) to help prove/disprove.

Or look at The Eastern Question; @JFW takes the time to offer definitions of the terms used in the question and the context. I learned something just reading the question, which is kind of cool.

Answer 11

What would google tell me if I asked?

Before you ask the question on H:SE, enter the question in google. Check to see if there is an obvious answer. Requests for trivium are officially out of scope and will probably be closed as off topic.

• Example 1
• Example 2.

Google is a powerful and subtle tool, and I won't criticize anyone for failing to master the full power. But if I copy the question title into a google search and the answer is in the first five results, then I feel justified in hitting the downvote button.

@Denisdebernady suggests that there are times when Gooogle has been manipulated to give misleading answers. I won't argue the point; I don't see it as statistically significant. I will continue to downvote questions that fail the "Triviality test". My goal is not to be infallible, but to cast my downvotes in a way that will improve the quality and utility of H:SE, and I think downvoting trivial questions advances that goal.

Answer 12

Quoting known Hitler apologists and/or Holocaust deniers as your primary/only source

Questions or answers like this one which rely on the theories of Hitler apologists and/or Holocaust deniers like David Irving as their primary or only source are likely to be down-voted.

Particularly when the claim being made fails the "existing narrative" test discussed above.

Answer 13

Is this true that…

Questions that guide answers to only two possible options ("yes" or "no") are very frequently:

• reductionstic
• contain minimal research and likely will not inform or educate the H:SE community
• a disguised personal opinion soliciting question, or a request for an argument

While history is a science, it is not technical science. We do not expect Boolean logic here. The best questions are most often those that present complex problems that need to be solved through creative use of historical sources and methods.

The same applies to other questions that may lead to one precise, short answer:

• when did something happen?
• where did something happen?
• who was the leader of…?

The answers to these questions are often either rather obvious, or in fact show there are no commonly accepted sources or sources are contradictory. (there is a large set of historical questions where the answer is "we don't know; we don't have the sources, or we have insufficient sources to reach a conclusion").

Fixing

1. Perform preliminary research, and for example show the contrast between two or more options.

2. Explain the efforts that you've made to solve the problem yourself.

3. Explain the sources you've consulted that support or undermine each of the possible answers. If the problem lies in contradictory sources, consider asking which one should be treated as most reliable and why.

4. If the problem is that 'you heard of something', consider reading another section.

5. Describe the implications of either answer. What would you infer if X were true? What if X were false? What would that change in your understanding of the historical narrative?

Answer 14

I will downvote any question that misuses the term genocide.

Genocide is recognized as a crime against humanity; modern cultures jointly condemn the practice. Asking or answering questions about genocide should be accompanied by clear, respectful thought. Transforming the noun genocide into a verb "genocided" is sloppy and imprecise and undermines analysis.

Every genocide is comprised of multiple acts of violence; massacres, deportation, displacement, murder and other acts of physical and moral violence. The noun can only be recognized when the verbs are studied. Genocide is a collective, persistent action. Transforming genocide into a verb reduces it to something simple and banal, which removes the horror. Stalin was wrong; the difference between murder and genocide is not the difference between a tragedy and a statistic, and confusing the two will not lead to learning or understanding.

Genocide is a crime - crimes require intent and action. Genocide is a collective crime; it is not possible for an individual to commit genocide, it requires institutions. Genocide is not an accident, it is a strategy.

I will downvote questions that treat genocide as something commonplace.

Any question that references genocide automatically (in my opinion) invokes the "higher standard" clause. Questions about genocide should be held to a higher standard and should be next to flawless. Community moderation should closed flawed questions and revise them until the community is convinced that they are more likely to lead to learning than to offense or sensationalism. These questions must be expressed precisely, must clearly outline the desired answer and should be respectful of all participants. In practice this means that the question must be expressed in academic, detached, scholarly language, and avoid lurid sensation.

My opinion: my goal in recording it is to support a clearer, more consistent moderation that nurtures the H:SE I want to participate.

Answer 15

Sir, this is an Arbys

Out of scope questions

A parable

Person walks into a Starbucks and says, "I'd like an appendectomy please. I don't react well to standard anesthetics, and I'm diabetic, so....."

The barista interrupted the customer, "Excuse me - I'm committed to providing the best possible customer service that I can, but this is a Starbucks, and we don't provide surgical services."

Customer replies, "I'm sorry if this is the wrong Starbucks to ask this question, but I didn't know where to ask, so I came here."

Barista replies, "The services we provide are specified on our menu, and on our website. It is fairly easy to tell that your question is not appropriate for this business. Even a cursory glimpse will reveal that there are no surgical or health care services anywhere in the store. Furthermore, it isn't that difficult to find someone who does provide health care services. Hospitals, internist, drugstores, etc.

Then the Barista mixed 5% coffee with 95% rotgut whiskey and got very very drunk. Because the world was that depressing.

If you don't know where to ask, then figure out where to ask. Read the scope of the potential SE - every one of them has a "What questions to ask here" section of the help files. At a minimum, read the scope for this site and justify why you think it might be in scope.

We try to be helpful and friendly. But only about history as defined in scope

We're not alone in this - scifi has a similar policy; SO is rather blunt,

Answer 16

Is your question in scope?

Why are major streets in urban regions not build tunnel like?

If your question begins, "I dont know where this question might belong in stackexchange, so i put it in history. " then STOP and read [help]. Then check these two resources history and not history; if you cannot detect the subtle differences between those two terms, you should not post on history stack exchange.

Don't post out of scope questions

No stack exchange site is obliged to take your question because you want to ask it. You don't get to force your question on people. Your question isn't valuable because it interests you, it is valuable because it fits into the community where you are asking it.

There is an assumption that needs to be rooted out - there is no guarantee that there is a SE site for your question. You may need to propose a new SE site, you may need to take your question to Quora or Yahoo answers, or just ask it in the pub. Or - horrors - think about it on your own. You have no right to impose your question on an unwilling community. The community has gone to the effort to document their scope; if you don't read that scope you are a cad.

Answer 17

Why were the majority of the population X at the time Y ok with Z when we know that Z is wrong?
Is it true that Person S from time Y really did/believed in Z??! Horrendous!

For sake of clarity: The genocides in modern times are not an example because the people knew that killing people is not ok.

For example: Slavery. How could ancient Greeks&Romans etc. etc. live with enslaving human beings??! They all must have been thoroughly evil!

• First problem: The person assume that humans from other epochs are really the same beings like 20/21th century humans, but only wear funny clothes. That they have a completely different background and that they even think different is not recognized at all. Every action they take must be judged against the modern standard.

• Second problem: The person who asks the question will likely take offense to the idea that the people were really different. The amount of personal enragement equals the validity of the reproach. If person X tries to point out that there is really a difference, the only reason person X says that must be that person X wants to excuse Z!

• Third problem: As everyone who read history knows, the people believed crap in every epoch of history. So the unfortunate deduction is that 20/21th century human beings will also believe crap and are unaware of it. So the irrevocably correct view that Z is wrong may be in fact wrong itself.

=> Downvote

Answer 18

"Should....

If your question includes the words "Should" or "...feel..." or "...seems...", or ". . . neglected. . . " then it is very likely that your question is subjective. (There are exceptions to this rule; I'll read the question before I determine whether or not to downvote).

I will downvote subjective questions and usually vote to close.

If your question is such that most answers (or any answer) is acceptable, then I am very likely to downvote and/or Vote to Close.

How To Fix

1) Remove all subjective words. Make sure that the question that remains is objective, and can be answered authoritatively. 2) Imagine that you died tomorrow and the answer had to be selected by an eminent panel of experts who did not have the opportunity to consult with you. Could they choose an answer based on the information provided in the question??

Answer 19

Questions about race

"race" is not a word that has a precise meaning; it is, if you will, not a cromulent word. The vast majority of questions about race or genetics rely on assumptions that are incompatible with good historiography. Different cultures define race differently, and there is no objective definition. If you ask a question about race and don't define your terms objectively, I reserve the right to downvote.

This also applies to questions about genetics; there are fields where genetics can contribute to history - Analysis of the Saxon conquest of England, or the descendants of Ghengis Khan. But like many other technical history questions, these need to be carefully phrased. Unfortunately, there are (IMHO) too many people who want to draw invalid conclusions from genetic evidence.

These kind of questions are also often a concealed way of advancing racist ideologies that I don't believe belong on H:SE.

If you must ask a question about concepts that are tied to race or genetics:

• Stop before you post - think about the last racist question you read, and think about the victims of that racism. Then re-read your question to ensure that you haven't inadvertently sounded like a racist fellow traveller.
• Carefully define the terms including references to reputable scholarly sources.

Most of the questions I've seen about race and/or genetics are also trivial, and most fail the preliminary research test.

• Are modern Greeks related to the ancient Greeks?
• Was there interbreeding between Romans and Native Britons?

Note: I personally find these bad questions, and I'll exercise my right to downvote.

(Questions about genetics and/or ethnicity are also suspicious; I will seek a higher standard of prior research for such questions)

An unnamed pundit suggested that

So for using DNA in History analysis, the rules^* would be:

1 Don't.

2 (for experts only). Don't yet.

^{* - with apologies to Michael A. Jackson}

Answer 20

Swords were in the past, so tell me about their physics

History is the study of change over time, in the documentary record of the human past.

We don't do metallurgy Or psychology Or physics

Yes your object of interest was in the past. This doesn't mean it was documented, it also doesn't make your question about change over time as discovered through that documentation.

Answer 21

I have to read the comment string to understand the question

If I have to read a comment string to understand your question, I am significantly less likely to do the research to answer the question. (I may or may not downvote you depending on how egregious the comment string is). SE is not a place for discussion. Discussion is fun; we all like a discussion. But there are places online where you can have a discussion. SE is for questions and answers.

If you want an answer to your question, make it easy to understand the question. If you want someone to exert effort/labor/research to provide you new knowledge, then don't impose obstacles to the process.

Every comment added to a question raises the chance that the question will be flagged for excessive comments, at which point the comments may all be migrated to chat. That means that all that clarification is no longer visible to the question. That makes it much harder to understand your question, to research your question and to answer your question. Unless, of course, you edit the clarifications into the question.

The revision history of the question illustrates how a question came to be in the format it is; comments are the wrong solution to that problem.

Comments are barn cats

In short: Avoid replying in comments

Questions should contain all the information to answer the question.

Comments ask for clarification of the question.

Clarifications should be edited into the question.

How to fix the problem

Edit the question to include everything in the comments; flag the comments for deletion.

Pretend that replying to a comment will result in a $20.00 donation to the charity you least like. Pretend that you'll be charged a nickel for every character you type in a comment.

Answer 22

Don't include anything you don't want to defend.

I think it's common for governments to make false flags against small groups, but has it ever happened the other way?

The first half of that sentence is undeniably true. OP holds that opinion. but is it important to the question? DO you want to defend it?

You should be prepared to defend with research any assertion in your question. If you don't want to defend it, leave it out.

Even more important in this case, the assertion is utterly irrelevant to the question.

To Fix

"Has a small group ever attempted a false flag operation against a government?"

That question stands along (false flag should be cited) and nobody is going to get distracted arguing about whether the government is the oppressor or the oppressed.

Answer 23

Has there ever been anything like...

Yes. There has, and I'm going to downvote you just for asking. There is nothing new under the sun. The eternal recurrence of the same. If you are asking about something that is truly novel, then good for you. BUt the majority of questions of this type are really requests for pub discussion.

How to fix the problem

First, make sure that you've clearly defined what you're asking about. "Has there ever been like" is an open prompt - a request for a creative writing exercise. "Has there ever been a 10% rise in a stock market followed by an 11% drop?" is a history question. It is precise and answerable.

Second, cite your nontrivial assertions If you're asking about an oil boom, reference the oil boom. Define the oil boom and support it with definitions. What is it about the oil boom that you think is unique? Global trade in liquids (no - whale oil)? Dominance of extractive industry (no - a thousand times over - my favorite example is guano)? Commodity based economies (no - dutch disease). If you don't specify what it is you think is unique, then I will downvote you hard and smile while doing so. Because every possible answer is equally valid. Has there ever been anything like X? Yes, my aunt edna is exactly like X! You can't prove I'm wrong; you can't even assert that I'm wrong, because if you don't provide definition of the phenomena or a way to measure it, then I can pick any measure, including gematria or horoscopes.

H:SE is a place to learn, not a place to discuss.

This rant brought to you by a deficit of caffeine and analgesics.

Answer 24

When did X first happen?

Yes, this is imprecise; but in this case I think we need to immediately translate this in our minds to When is the first recorded evidence of x?.

This is a problem that is not a problem. Fussing over the difference between "first happened" and "first recorded evidence" doesn't really advance history, and doesn't create the kind of site that I want to support. It is tempting to be distracted by the distinction, and I expect that someone will call me on it sometime. But it isn't productive; the meaning can easily be inferred.

_Are there other examples of phrases that we should automatically translate?

Answer 25

You replied in comments

I feel justified in downvoting your question if you reply in comments. Comments are intended to:

• Request clarification from the author;
• Leave constructive criticism that guides the author in improving the post;
• Add relevant but minor or transient information to a post (e.g. a link to a related question, or an alert to the author that the question has been updated). how to moderate comments

In the general case, comments request clarification and the OP should edit the question to provide clarification.

Why am I such a jerk about comments?

• StackExchange discourages long comment strings

• Comments are barn cats

• Comments reduce the chance that anyone will answer your question -When you bury information that is critical to understanding the question in a comment string, it makes it difficult to understand the question, difficult to research the question and difficult to answer the question. Move that information into the question.

• The question should be self-contained; it should contain all the information needed to understand, research and answer the question.

How to fix the problem

Edit the question. Make sure the question stands alone.

Answer 26

Wanted to store a reference to How do I write a good question? on another site that describes how to write a good question. I admire this and wish I had thought to phrase all my ranting in the positive.

How to write good questions

A high-quality question is specific not just to increase the chances of a good answer, but also so that others can quickly determine if the question is applicable to their problem. Great answers are clear, accurate, relevant, and complete. Anyone who finds the answer should be able to leverage it, not just the original asker. The questions and answers that are created and refined on the platform become a common good, shared and ideally beneficial to anyone who visits the site. Theresa Dietrich in State of the stack

Answer 27

Reconcile title with content in body

The question in the title is different from the question as phrased in the body. Please edit to clarify. This will help to ensure the answer matches the intended question.

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I'm aware that this technically is seldom a reason for a downvote; it is very unlikely that I or anyone else will downvote your question solely for ambiguous phrasing of the query. But this provides a convenient repository for advice to improve questions.

Answer 28

The question is written in the passive voice

I won't actually downvote every question written in the passive voice, but I want to call attention to the pattern.

Questions of the form

Why is X considered Y?

represent an inherent problem. who considers X to be Y? History, like most sciences, is about constructing models to answer questions. Historians construct models & theories to fit the evidence in the hope of providing greater insight to some set of questions.

The question "Why is X considered Y", conceals who considers X to be Y and under what conditions and in what model. If the historian advocating this theory is a specialist in women's history, then the model may not be the ideal model to understand an economic issue. Similarly, if the question is about gender roles, then Marxist economic models might not be appropriate. If the historian who advanced the notion that X is considered Y is a Whig historian, then we need to consider certain biases.

This is closely related to the secret cabal of historians problem and to the Attribute all nontrivial assertions problem.

The solution is relatively simple. Attribute all attestation. Revise the question to "Why does Author Z consider X to be Y?"

Answer 29

The question relies on a false aggregation

More precisely, albeit less tersely, the question aggregates groups in a way that the answer is going to be misleading and perhaps misinformative. Not necessarily wrong, but not right.

For example¹:

• Did Europeans benefit from the scramble for Africa?
• Did polytheistic religions believe that other pantheons existed?

Let's examine each of these in turn

Did Europeans benefit from the scramble for Africa

"Europeans" conceals more than it reveals. Substitute other aggregates e.g. or "people with O+ blood" – the statistical correlation won't advance our understanding of history unless there is some theory that links the agency of the aggregate to the outcome. This may seem like a nitpick, but I think the ambiguity that results hampers our understanding of history. What if the question were "Did European women benefit from investment in Africa?" – the difference in agency between "European women" and "Europeans" significantly changes the question.

There exists a politically inclined cluster of historians who would challenge this on "European economic elites" vs "Europeans" - That particular classification doesn't help me to understand history; I suspect that the underlying models are misleading and pejorative as often as not, but if the analysis is carried out rigorously, it is probably better than "Europeans"

It might be interesting to rephrase the question as "What segments of European civilization benefited most from the scramble for Africa?" – examine the benefits from the Scramble for Africa(SfA), and trying different demographic models to see how closely they tie to economic benefits, and then constructing a theory that would explain that, and then trying to test the predictive value of that theory. Were the benefits of SfA more closely correlated with economic or political elites?

Did polytheistic religions believe that other pantheons existed?

First off, polytheistic is a misleading term; as discussed in Britannica, there are multiple underlying assumptions, Internal vs external, intellectual vs cultural, etc. Religion belief is a complex topic and Wallaces N'th corollary³ to Whited's first law ² applies. Let's look at a couple of examples:⁴

• Romans vs Egyptians – the Roman (polytheistic) embraced/enclosed the Egyptian pantheon. Romans worshiped foreign gods. Worship of foreign gods might have been a cultural disadvantage, but was not punished directly.

• Romans vs Greeks – The Roman (polytheistic) religion directly incorporated Greek gods, treating them as equivalencies

• Romans vs Jews/Christians – The Romans punished those of a different religion (perhaps because of incompatible religion, perhaps because they violated social order, perhaps because the foreign cult was exclusionary in a way that was incompatible with the Roman worship and governance; this is complicated and I'm not going to explain why (at least not successfully), I'm just going to offer it as an example.

• Shinto vs Buddhism, vs Confucianism – I lack the scholarship to discuss this fully, but these three religions strike different social accords in different cultures and different times in Asia/South Asia. I believe there are times when they conflict violently, but for the majority of time they work in harmony.

• Egyptian Henotheism – This is one of my favorite words; I understand the fundamental theory is narrowly supported by few scholars and may be flawed, but it represents a different approach between polytheistic religions.

The point is that different particular polytheistic religions deal differently with different particular polytheistic religions at different places and times. Aggregating them together and treating all Polytheistic religions as the same will lead to a misunderstanding of religion and religious conflict.

I've got a very limited background, but I think religious conflict is more influenced by particular details (ritual, political engagement, etc.) than by the single variable "polytheistic/non-polytheistic", even if we were to come up with some kind of authoritative definition of that variable.

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1. As usual, I do not intend to criticize the authors of these questions; I'm merely citing them as illustrative examples.
2. "It's more complicated than that"
3. "making complex things simple can make them wrong" – this is a corollary to "Everything should be as simple as possible but no simpler", and a counterargument against Box's law of Models. The point is that all analysis is based on assumptions and models; choosing the wrong model will lead to misleading or wrong outcomes.
4. These are all vastly oversimplified and not sourced; these are illustrative examples. I have neither the time nor the scholarship to do the topics justice, but I think they suffice to illustrate the point.

Answer 30

Terms are ill-defined

This anti-pattern describes questions that rely on imprecisely defined terms; multiple contradictory answers are possible depending on how you define those terms. As a consequence it is not possible to provide an authoritative answer to the question.

For example, "When did the first civilization arise?" Reminds me of Gandhi's quip on Western civilization. "Civilization" is like "pretty" - discussion & comparison are only possible in the context of a shared definition. "Civilization" requires context for utility; it isn't defined in terms of some external objective standard. Economic historians might date "civilization" at the invention of money; Marxists will define it differently.

Fix

If a question is tagged with this anti-pattern, the comment should also identify the term or terms requiring definition. OP should edit the question to clarify how the term is defined within the context of the question - what definition will be used to select an authoritative answer?

The question will be strengthened if the definition is linked to a reference or external source - a definition that has been subjected to scholarly scrutiny to identify and resolve problems with the definition.